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[0:34] ..." is massachusetts' own. Roger Chrissie who hasn't been a pass over the National Security Council staff and knows where of he speaks let me ask first of all if that you believe that we and the intelligence. Establishment"...
[3:28] ..." I think the real worry is not the sophisticated. Plot. Driven by al- -Qaeda what the real worry is the self starter the the individual who is self radicalize either based on what they see on TV or on the Internet. And decided to take matters into their own hands and the good news -- this individual mine is that his rendering competent and what he tried to dealing 2000 to 2003. Acquire weapons he couldn't do well not that difficult to acquire weapons the United States. So I think we we caught a break here but what some like Ghazi who was in touch with -- al- -Qaeda operatives overseas who's assembling the components of a bomb. That is far more significant and so again I don't think we should"...
[4:35] ..." example where a suicide bomb or set off by remote control. An explosive device inside of a busy shopping mall war on public conveyance. Wouldn't just one incident like that particularly approaching for example. A holiday"...
[5:32] ..." do something we've seen cases where they've been disrupted. Be it in Fort Dix New Jersey in North Carolina. And -- on the west coast so there's a good news story here at which is law"...
[0:00]" Well it was the arrest of a 27 year old pharmacy student from Sudbury yesterday that raised a lot of eyebrows but was only last month. That a Denver airport van driver was picked up by federal authorities and accused. Of plotting to blow up the public transit system in New York City where he used to live. Just the two latest tip of the iceberg just how serious is that threat. Two Americans of terrorists these days joining us this morning from Washington. Where he's president of the good Harbour consulting group and a professor of counterterrorism policy at Georgetown University is massachusetts' own. Roger Chrissie who hasn't been a pass over the National Security Council staff and knows where of he speaks let me ask first of all if that you believe that we and the intelligence. Establishment in this country. Our vigilant enough certainly the news last to a rest received indicated that we are on the case."
[0:55]" Well -- is no doubt our vigilance is far better than it was nine years ago we have many more resources focus on this we have the intelligence and law enforcement. Looking at potential problems both domestically and overseas so in terms -- vigilant yes. I think it's important that while we've had a very in interesting arrest both Massachusetts. Denver and opted to individuals. Arrested in Illinois and Dallas and -- and charges. The -- careful not to link these together or draw one conclusion because these. Circumstances are very unique these individuals are not connected but does speak to an issue in this is an issue look. Even if you have people who don't have capabilities such as may not was arrested yesterday in Boston that doesn't mean they're not dangerous so I think that's a lesson to draw from these incidents."
[1:41]" you identify before he becomes. Of a real threat did you know right to the point pulling the trigger which is according to federal indictment what he wanted to do with shopping malls. How do you identify people like this I mean it would be impossible to say everybody. Who's a Muslim ought to be suspect everybody who teaches at a Muslim school bill ought to be suspect. So -- of how do you identify him."
[2:04]" Or that the key and we never should just because they're Muslim is not the reason why these individuals decide to to pursue potential terrorism incidents. You do picture ways one is cooperating witnesses which is an associate of these individuals who decides to go to law enforcement and -- to -- the second is. Intelligence gathering either Europe or domestic or overseas and that's what happened in the case this -- knowledgeable about the -- far more serious. Person he's the one who was planning to get conduct an attack on the transportation system in New York and and the third is when they start recruit people either they start talking about what they wanna do now talking. Talking trash amongst other people and then someone notified law enforcement so all those type of thing happy brought together before you can identify these individuals and in law enforcement can fault them."
[2:54]" So if this individual is Sudbury yesterday was caught before he could do any damage and this federal indictment alleges that he tried to attend for example. A terrorist camp tried to enlist in the Talabani but he was sort of turnout is being inexperienced and not released the kind of person looking for -- Ozzie. Who was at least according to public suspicion about this close to being able to cause real havoc in New York City. What is the state of our security these days in this country is it true Roger proceeded it's not. If it's when."
[3:27]" So I think the real worry is not the sophisticated. Plot. Driven by al- -Qaeda what the real worry is the self starter the the individual who is self radicalize either based on what they see on TV or on the Internet. And decided to take matters into their own hands and the good news -- this individual mine is that his rendering competent and what he tried to dealing 2000 to 2003. Acquire weapons he couldn't do well not that difficult to acquire weapons the United States. So I think we we caught a break here but what some like Ghazi who was in touch with -- al- -Qaeda operatives overseas who's assembling the components of a bomb. That is far more significant and so again I don't think we should link all these together and -- in the case of Mohamed head this is a guy who was trying to do something. 67 years ago so I think the US attorney. Got a little too excited that press conference yesterday but the self starter the individual's self radicalized is the problem and that's what we need to --"
[4:26]" with the effect EB. If whether -- Honda or someone else does -- summary altogether different. Two for example where a suicide bomb or set off by remote control. An explosive device inside of a busy shopping mall war on public conveyance. Wouldn't just one incident like that particularly approaching for example. A holiday shopping done with that frees the country again."
[4:51]" Well absolutely and what you -- uses improvised explosive devices by terrorist individuals around the world quite effectively. That type of that that type these -- that the device. We do much more damage in terms of creating panic. Then a -- terms of creating a body count to and so clearly an economic impact would be that would be serious consequence. And that will be the type of thing that a terrorist would look to do acknowledge used to kill people but to undercut the public's confidence in the ability just do the -- things in life that we all take."
[5:21]" you surprised it hasn't happened."
[5:23]" I truthfully yes. Because it doesn't take a whole lot of sophistication. I'm also surprised we haven't seen individuals just. Grab automatic weapons and trying to do something we've seen cases where they've been disrupted. Be it in Fort Dix New Jersey in North Carolina. And -- on the west coast so there's a good news story here at which is law enforcement has been ahead of the current. And identified these individuals. But like any type of race against time. You have to find these people before they get the point where they wanna do an attack so far we've been lucky but that may not always the case."
[5:56]" Former National Security Council staffer. Now the president of his own company in Washington the good Harbour consulting group and professor Georgetown University. Roger -- Roger thanks very much my portrait."
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