PEDs and the damage done

[0:38]" Well sure I mean this is -- banned substance. I mean players know what banned substances what what's not. And sure the test was conducted to determine the extent of the problem with those charities is in baseball and the players and away -- this has been unfair to the players because they were told them the anonymity. And no punishments they just want to know the extent of the problem."

[1:00]" and also true they were told in advance that the tests were coming. So that if they had been taking anything suspicious they could've stopped taking -- in McLean."

[1:28]" If you were posed the rhetorical question this morning in your column. And those life -- Red Sox championship to 20042007. Are they forever tainted and the answer."

[1:40]" Of course there and I -- it doesn't take. Take them away. There's still there. They are tarnished I would say. Most everything in baseball in the last 1012 years you have to look at -- that -- now. We're gonna say that. The individual accomplishments you know very bonds supersedes Hank Aaron. Their bosses secretary moments this season -- deveny. Those sorts of things have been teams you know kind of fraudulent and agent I think team accomplishments. What you now have. The route scary that the report hitters and you -- Both used in 2003. It doesn't. It doesn't make you feel real war on positive objectives chips one and 2004."

[2:32]" Well a timetable on this is not good for their expertise because it was relatively ordinary hitter. Before coming to Boston there's been released by the twins go out and comes here. Starts -- street which is what we know he's failed drug test. And turns around his career and his you know he's baseball's Rambo the next four -- five years now with stricter testing. His career -- is going down hill big weight the last two years. So it just means it's not good for him when you look at that the -- timing -- these transgressions."

[3:06]" Million dollars just -- from the -- Dan are you suggesting that if you if you track the numbers. But perhaps it's only been in the last two years and -- stop using."

[3:16]" I'm not saying that bumps and he got he got trade when he was we know he was using you know three -- was when we know he got great. And we know he's not doing -- now and we know it would be impossible to be out there if you were. On on the -- right now because the testing this is strong. Place."

[3:35]" Did you suspect coming -- very close to the game to the players did you suspect that he might be on that supposedly secret list of more than a hundred players tested positive."

[3:45]" on -- important size and indicate if you just do them -- thirty teams are talking about. Three of four the ballclub on the average and it's impossible to believe as any team in -- to vote -- on this you probably have passed so. The man it was was caught this year major wonderful -- he -- the other outlets three and David trips -- makes you -- It's an a lot of -- man told us build -- You really don't have anything -- talk about body type group but it's it's it's belts that really. Is in concluded this is conclusive and and is in this case it's it's it's toppled David's reputation."

[4:27]" How -- he -- bound bounced back from us."

[4:31]" A lot of guys do I mean. Uses -- there in new York and -- first place and I think you know. People take different tax Roger Clemens chose to do against this never happens when Iran. Smoke almost too much about them that Perry its president and -- what was done back in his news crazy -- others so it'll be used to David you know annals of moving forward he did. Come vote yesterday stated that the his appearance on that list is true not disputing. -- it's going to be whether he chooses to -- you know -- it was a misunderstanding. I mean people are aware I think that pharmaceutical laws are quite different and the Dominican Republic are. Here. And -- my guess is that there's going to be some exploration. And happening but it was still banned substance from."

[5:23]" He. Said to be confirmed it would it would the players union and I guess the question is Dan Shaughnessy should. The players' union the -- who have a list or somebody. Disclose all the names -- should be just put up with the sort of drip drip drip which continues to embarrass the game and stay on the fans."

[5:41]" Lot of students should have been disclosed in the first place and that's where I was there when he's erupting came it was it was singularly unfair one -- about it before getting an out you know he's having more and still unfair. And but it. Then it goes to vote yes should be all -- not a without getting anxious to point -- it is slow leaking information. And -- have probably all going to be possible later. I think it would -- a better to -- its release but it's illegal and the fact that these things are getting out at all -- illegals not the understanding. Under which the players made the agreement to be tested."

[6:28]" Unfortunately those that would things. Any humans like evangelist or its content with a hooker the next -- after via TV talk about what you can and cannot do which relies so it's just. To come -- that's strong and that was in February after the era thing and you -- July it's talk program. And they do. To go back and I suppose apologized to transform. -- Think they'll do anything but again there is no penalty of this. MLB this strictly penalty. Image and public opinion. And your career Patton what people think -- later on so. Office. There they should do not think accepted just you know senator embarrassed. And disappointed in -- move forward."

[7:17]" Finally -- columnist new fan you have always been a fan of the Red Sox brought here went to school here. You feel personally."

[7:27]" Well tonight you know on the baseball fan I propose that saucepan and over the stories and they have been the greatest story to write -- My life and 2014. Certainly was the greatest sports story ever told -- the top talent and you you do feel a little bit duped you know I'm that was not their government Barnes seventy back in 98. And the boy -- that toys and the idea that decision in -- they would Jason. Lotto winning that you aegis anti tobacco. -- In the case does no one appears to David and it's really hard to get around it at this point and it doesn't mean it didn't win. As I wrote today you know. You know -- there are cheaters Bennett you're -- really isn't what you're open again. -- Again. I'm not surprised and I would that would have taken that part on the continent. Probably more disappointed in myself for not being more cynical suspicious about it."

[8:29]" And if the beans the recommendation made it to the names and failure expose no longer the issue here since so many of glory come out. Ought to all be released. Do you expect that there are some more Red Sox names there."

[8:42]" Again stability guys in the thirty -- so. I would leave absolutely."

[8:49]" The globe's Dan Shaughnessy is column on the front page this morning. -- thanks for much of the department."