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[0:00] ..." The trial of Clark Rockefeller is now in the final stages and the jury could get the case perhaps as soon as later today. Joining us this morning with his thoughts about how things have gone thus far and what the likelihood of a conviction or exonerate -- is. He -- Boston defense attorney Al Johnson formerly of prosecutors who knows both sides of the case which in the way this formula."...
[0:32] ..." facts of these. Trial itself. That is the factual situation of the kidnapping. Was as predictable. But not much doubt in fact it is conceded that them. Clark rocket pro or whatever his name is"...
[3:53] ..." event we're clearly. It is indicative robbery every. Coming. And pre planned. Kidnapping. Stood out. Clearly there was no question that. May be horror. A long period of time -- indeed I think someone's that it was for years. The planning new participant took place. And I think two that was evident in media testimony of all of the witnesses that there was only they conscious effort. To not only kidnap the child but the coverup. Of the kidnapping by a rather elaborate scheme."...
[0:00]" The trial of Clark Rockefeller is now in the final stages and the jury could get the case perhaps as soon as later today. Joining us this morning with his thoughts about how things have gone thus far and what the likelihood of a conviction or exonerate -- is. He -- Boston defense attorney Al Johnson formerly of prosecutors who knows both sides of the case which in the way this formula."
[0:23]" Well as I predicted. Dictating in this case -- it turned out to be the battle of the experts. The facts of these. Trial itself. That is the factual situation of the kidnapping. Was as predictable. But not much doubt in fact it is conceded that them. Clark rocket pro or whatever his name is Adam. Did in fact did take his daughter. And the district court court orders. The rest of the trial. Was the testimony of three experts. On insanity."
[1:09]" And what sort of ignore experience. -- what what sort of an appeal is that he would not guilty by reason of insanity. Two -- story."
[1:19]" Well again and it's very difficult two. No. One lacks the problem. Intent. Lacks the Adam. Ability to. Conform oneself to the normal society in the normal -- law. And in the case of this time. Clearly I thought police didn't following the -- It was clear academy at least. That. He. Intended the consequences of his actions. And that term insanity was simply not. A difference which one couldn't it could've done."
[2:00]" And out he never appeared on the stand himself and -- jurors were most likely asked about that during the in the screening process. If that would affect them at all and you have told us that the jury should be instructed that that does not make any difference whatsoever in. Someone establishing his innocence or rather aryan if infighting in the states effort to prove he's not innocent. Let's face -- that really make a difference to jurors sitting there wondering why we wouldn't stand up and speak in his own defense."
[2:33]" It all right you have years of practice. Office the except under the circumstances were rated judge granted directed verdict of acquittal. The Senate must take the stand bureaus simply. Will not tolerate. Of the fact that they dependent does not take the stand except in very rare circumstances. So clearly in this case is bureaus are going to hold that against him even though the law says otherwise."
[3:04]" Now once the jury does get it. Does get the in the case and begins his deliberations. What's the rule of thumb long deliberations. They over the defendant or the state."
[3:14]" There is not. But golden -- The axiomatic term. Doctor in the short deliberation being. That the occurred it is a conviction is simply not. Back -- just not important predictor of whether it's longer and -- deliberations. As to what the go to Albany."
[3:37]" But it sounds to me at all towards -- as -- Minnesota is -- you think that maybe. The the state did a good job in this what."
[3:45]" Or is no question that you know the practice favored the via the commonwealth. The facts of that term. Planning stages of this event we're clearly. It is indicative robbery every. Coming. And pre planned. Kidnapping. Stood out. Clearly there was no question that. May be horror. A long period of time -- indeed I think someone's that it was for years. The planning new participant took place. And I think two that was evident in media testimony of all of the witnesses that there was only they conscious effort. To not only kidnap the child but the coverup. Of the kidnapping by a rather elaborate scheme."
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